Old friends. After a spotlight was cast upon the female friendship dynamic in The White Lotus Season 3, we have some thoughts. Are old friendships toxic, or are their sometimes fraught, no BS nature the very thing that makes them the most valuable?

Plus, what makes a politician? When Peter Dutton received troubling news minutes before the first Australian Leaders debate, a subsequent discussion emerged. When does a personal crisis trump the requirements of a role and exactly what does it take to be a leader?

Finally, astroturfing. No, this doesn't relate to Holly's garden but the manufacturing of public smear campaigns against celebrities, disguised as organic content. Holly, Jessie and friend of the pod Amelia Lester discuss the internet's latest celebrity victim – and what's behind her takedown.

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